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Hello

Hello Dirk. I'm sorry for the russian anonymous author, which wrote to you. If you need a help or have a questions, address to me. And do not arrange edit warring please, its not way for good work :) Good luck! Huller 10:49, 12 сентября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]
Hello Hullernuc, the anonymous User has a very strong character. Principal i understand the user, but the substantive informations are not right in this case. So thanks for offer your help, when i have questions i write to you. The russian Wikipedia is much new land, its very differ to the englisch and german wikipedia. I think little edits for the beginning it's to this time enough ;) Best Regards ChNPP 15:53, 12 сентября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]


Чернобыльская АЭС

Почему вы считаете что уместнее использовать слово «Закрытие», а не «Вывод из эксплуатации». ИМХО, более подходит именно вывод из эксплуатации, поскольку блок полностью не закрывают, лишь останавливают работку реактора, но продолжают осуществлять иные работы. — DarkSTALKER 17:49, 24 сентября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]
Sorry why i answer in english, but i don't have actually installed russian language at my Computer. So, it's right, some work is occured at the plant, but the table shows only the operational datas of the reactors. So, please note the references, in this link the status of the units is directly defined. The actual Work where occured at the Chernobyl NPP has nothing to do with the operation. Best Regards ChNPP 19:50, 24 сентября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]
  • Участник ChNPP прав на самом деле, хотя и возможно не догадывается почему. Термин «вывод из эксплуатации» включает в себя далеко не только остановку реактора и окончание выработки электроэнергии. Вывод из эксплуатации — серьёзнейшее мероприятие, которое в идеале должно закончиться чистым полем на месте энергоблока, пока же указанные блоки действительно просто «закрыты». Huller 12:47, 28 сентября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]


Списки

Great thanks Dirk for interviks, I did not guess at all that they exist. Huller 19:05, 16 ноября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]
No problem Hullernuc, every time again. Best Regards ChNPP 19:38, 16 ноября 2010 (UTC)[ответить]


Харьковская АТЭЦ

Hello Dirk! May you add IAEA based table in this article? Huller 14:19, 7 декабря 2010 (UTC)[ответить]
No Problem ;) --ChNPP 16:13, 10 декабря 2010 (UTC)[ответить]


Congratulations

Happy New Year Dirk! Great thanks for your help to a Ru-wiki! Huller 13:28, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Hullernuc, also a Happy new year! So I have a question to you, I answer you in some minutes. Best Regards ChNPP 13:32, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
So, I'm back. The IAEA list a nuclear power plant named as Troizk. Troizk has six reactors, each with 100 MW gross and 90 MW net. The plant operated from the 1958 to 1989. The datas of the six reactors is on your list with the reactor information where i send you for one or two month. I have search the location of the plant, but I don't found the station. So I wrote a mail to the PRIS-admin Jiri Mandula. He says to me, he has no information about the location. So many books and internet sites in englisch, german and other languages shows information about the plant, the IAEA too. But no information about the plant is published in russian language and no correct informatins about the location of the station is given in these documents. Several locations are shown in these books, Troizk, Oblast Chelyabinsk, Novotroizk near Troizk, Oblast Chelyabinsk and Novotroitsk, Oblast Orenburg. But I don't can find the location. I despair. So can you help me to find the location or several information to the plant? Best Regards ChNPP 14:25, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Sorry, but i think it is secret. Huller 14:59, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Secret? Whow, I don't expect this. So you know nothing about the power plant or you have knowledge about the plant, but you can't say anithing about, because it's a secrat object of the Ministry for Atomic Energy of the Russian Federation? Best Regards ChNPP 15:12, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
No, sorry, I know nothing. :) Huller 15:26, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Okay, sure? Best Regards ChNPP 15:51, 1 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


Fuel

[1] Even so this new fuel. You was not right, and has convinced me :) Huller 15:28, 6 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
In retrospect you mabe right. I don't know, use VVER-Plants wet storage of spent fuel, similar the principal of RBMK-Plants? The russian fuel economy is a black field in my knowledge :D. Because i know, Temeln use dry spent fuel storage, the Cask named CASTOR 1000/19. For fresh fuel normally use these containers: [2]. But what type of cask is this in the picture? Best Regards ChNPP 06:21, 8 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
On your foto ТУК (Транспортный упаковочный контейнер), fuel in ТУК comes on station, then overload in cask on my foto (ЧСТ, чехол свежего топлива), then be kept in special building, and when need, ЧСТ carry in unit and fuel load. This cask (ЧСТ) is self-made by maintenance staff of the station. :) Really. Huller 16:44, 8 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Okay, this is logical. ChNPP 07:38, 9 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
So by the way, i have a question from a friend of mine to you. A documentation of a german public broadcasting about russian and soviet design nulear power plants reported about balakovo NPP, but this documentation is from the late 1990s. So in this documentation is reported, the buildings sink into the earth and the foundations are awry. To compensate this problem, so i think it's not possible and nonsanse, big Lead plates placed on the ractor buildings. I don't know on wich units. I think that's not possible, but was something like this ever tried? Best Regards ChNPP 06:36, 8 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Yes, its true, but problem was solve even till the end of construction. Were used a system of lead plates, and process of awry was stopped. Scientific rationale of these works in details — А.Г.Зализский, В.И.Скрыпников, Ю.М.Тиняков, С.Г.Колесников, И.С.Федосов, Р.Д.Луцюк. Опыт контроля и корректировки наклона зданий реакторных отделений Балаковской АЭС // под общ.ред.Л.М.Воронина Атомные электрические станции : Сборник статей. — М.: Энергоатомиздат, 1991. — Т. 12. — С. 12—27.
Wow okay, this is very interesting. Thanks ^^. Btw, to the Troitsk plant i have ask you a question, so i have now found information about the plant, because it's don't exist. The Siberian NPP at the Siberian Chemical Combinate is this plant, because some americans have made a mistake. In the 50s and 60s, the plants were suppose to be located near Troitsk, Oblast Chelyabinsk. Because of the Plutonium Production, this information are also wrong, the experts estimated the numer of reactors of six by a electrical output of 100 MWe eacht. But the List there you have from me with some reactor datas if abandoned plants, the reactors are listed. I will wrote to the IAEA-PRIS admin for background informations. For more information about the mistake, if you want, you can find there [3]. Best Regards ChNPP 07:38, 9 января 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


Template

Hi Dirk! I have considered your suggestions in template {{АЭС по советским/российским проектам}}. Great thanks for help! Huller 15:45, 7 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Huller, the new template was a good idea! ;) By the way, please take a look at my Sandbox, I create a new list with all nuclear power plants, based on PRIS-Date, but I list only realized plants, a second list with abandoned plants (Tatar NPP, Stendal NPP, etc) is planned. ;) But I have some problems with the list, because I dont't can translate the chinese plantnames into russian language. For the other plants I can use the Thesaurus of the IAEA, but the new Plants of China are not listes. Can you help? I despair sometimes :D Best Regards ChNPP 16:00, 7 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
O! Great idea Dirk, I have conceived the same! For a long time I think to make this list! May be you will make how many you can, and then I will issue and will write the description of the list? Ok? Names, which you can not find in Russian, write on english, then i will correct. Ok? Huller 16:13, 7 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Ok, thats great! :) I think, the Lists are nearly in one week complete, so if i can find the time for it, but i think thats a realistic timespan. For the abandon plats, at my english Sandbox is a english version, but the sourcecode and datas must be updatet, and i can translate it to russian. But, one step after the other. Best Regards ChNPP 16:21, 7 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


Чигиринская АЭС

Have you PRIS info about this station, Dirk? Huller 14:59, 11 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
No, this is the only plant in the ukraine that is not available in the PRIS. Best Regards ChNPP 15:09, 11 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Its fake, my friend, incompleted thermal power station (Чигиринская ГРЭС) [4], not NPP. Huller 21:05, 11 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
A fake not, no, I have a book about the USSR-Nuclear-siteing politic. The plant was begun as GRES, but lwter planned as NPP. On 6. August 1987, an open letter from opposition was opened. The people oppossing the new plant, because the plants in Khmelnitskiy, Rovno and the South Ukraine NPP are already in expansion. The Poer from Chigirin is not needed. On 19. May 1989, the plant was cancelled. But the World Nuclear Association say, the site is proposed for a new plant. See Nuclear Power in the Ukraine, the Section is marked. But I think, the former proposed plant is for a wiki not relevant, because there is no infos about the plannig stage aviable. Prosposed yes, but not firmly planned. Best Regards ChNPP 00:03, 12 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Btw: Cancelled Nuclear Projects, mainly in the former USSR and the eastern bloc, are my specialty ;) --ChNPP 00:06, 12 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
I will try to search info about station. Huller 09:35, 12 июня 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


List of NPPs

Hi Dirk! Look at this pls. Its my vision of the list (while only one section). I made list, based on your work in sandbox. What you think about it? May be we together made all sections of this list similarly? This will be great work! Huller 02:18, 17 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Hullernuc, this is a good design, but the table has much columns, this makes the table confused. The operator column is a good idea, but the NSSS-Supplier ant the Fuel Supplier? I have for the Operator and NSSS-supplier a source, but not for the Fuel supplier. By german plants it is the Advanced Nuclear Fuel GmbH in Lingen, near the Emsland NPP, but in other conutries like Japan or Argentinia it's really difficult to find the supplier. Some reactors in Japan was modifed ro use the german ATRIUM 9 Fuelbundels for Boiling Water reactors, but other plants use the GE11 Fuel from General Electric. I think principally this table is better, but some modifications are needed. By the way, I must edit some datas, because we in Germany has shut down eight reactors, Biblis A and B, Isar-1, Brunsbttel, Krmmel, Neckarwestheim-1, Philippsburg-1 and Unterweser, because of this some datas are not up to date. I think our Goverment is crazy, we import much energy from France and the Czech Republic, very expensive... Mrs. Merkel has no brain, only a vacuum. This by the way. ;-D Best Regards ChNPP 09:24, 18 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Dirk, i think this columns — good idea. This difficult, but result will be magnificent! Lets try! About Germany reactors — you right, its very-very foolish resolution. Russian nuclear workers feel for German colleagues. Huller 10:55, 19 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Huller, so this is my idea:
  • - Under Construction
  • - In Operation
  • - Shutdown
  • - Long term shutdown (but this status means only 5 reactors, two at Bruce NPP and Pickering NPP in Canada, and the FBR at Monju, but the plants is actual go back to operation)
By the way, this problem consits at all Wikipedias: Is the source code of the article too long, the server needed too much time to load the site. The consequense is an fatal error, code 500. In the german Wikipedia we have some problems with exactly this List of nuclear power plants, in german the article called de:Liste der Kernkraftwerke. Many users have tell us such problems. Due to this, we splitted the List in three articles, de:Liste der Kernkraftwerke in Europa for European Plants, de:Liste der Kernkraftwerke in Asien for Plants in Asia and de:Liste der Kernkraftwerke in Nordamerika for Northern America. Only Africa and Southern America is listed with the souce code at the Liste der Kernkraftwerke. If the code too big in the russian list, maybe we have a similar problem. This is the reason why I don't would write too much things in this list. My concept goes to the maximum, but too much images, like the nuclear power plant icons, reduce the speed. In this case, we have an timeout and the list dosen't load in the Browser of the users. This is an important point. By the way, my favorit is a list with net and gross power, because only the net power is the electricity that flows into the grid. The gross power needed to see the full unit power. But net power output is an important parameter! ;-)
АЭС Э/б Тип реактора Статус Начало Пуск Закрытие Мощность Оператор
Академик Ломоносов 1 КЛТ-40С YYYY (YYYY) MW
Балаковская 1 ВВЭР-1000/320 YYYY YYYY (YYYY) MW Росэнергоатом
Белоярская 1 АМБ-100 YYYY YYYY YYYY MW
Белоярская 2 АМБ-200 YYYY YYYY YYYY MW


Best Regards ChNPP 15:13, 19 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Sorry Dirk, but i so obstinate... :) I will do in own way, pls help me. If the list will turn out badly, i will try change horses mid race. Huller 15:37, 20 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Okay, Huller, I will help you on your list at your sandbox with your version. At the end, we can see how we can possible improve the list, but I dont't like a kilometer long discussion, so let's go! ;) Best Regards ChNPP 16:43, 20 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


Автопатрулирование

Hi Dirk! I think you need a status «автопатрулируемый» for more convenient work in ru-wiki. May i do request? Huller 15:32, 21 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Hullernuc, yes, this status would simplify my work! :) By the way, I have a question to you, because we would have a porlbelm in the near future with the South Urals NPP. My newest information about the project ist, that two plants are planned. One station with WWER-1200-Reactors (I hope AEP Moscow or Nizhny Novgorod, V-392M ^^) and another station under a Breeder Program, planned with two to three BN-1200. Because of this, the Power Reactor Information System, from where I have the Information, has change the power output of the old project to 1199 MW at each reactor. Because of this my questions: How we handle the two stations with the same names as articles and where the secons station located? Best Regards ChNPP 17:31, 21 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
I think when construction start, decision of this problem easy will be found. Huller 17:53, 21 сентября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hi, Dirk! I looked at your contrib. in ru-wiki & decided to give you a «autopatrolled» status. Congratulations! Centurion198 09:48, 26 января 2012 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Centurion198, thank you for this! :) Best Regards ChNPP 12:06, 26 января 2012 (UTC)[ответить]


Список АЭС мира

Hi Dirk! Can you make a draft copy (as here [5]) of sections США and Япония? Huller 08:57, 3 октября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Huullernuc, I don't have enought time in the next few days. Maybe next week. Best Regards ChNPP 17:15, 5 октября 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


Congratulations

Hi Dirk! Where was gone?

My congratulations, friend! Our list Список АЭС мира has received status «Избранный» and won competition «Article of year-2011» in a nomination «List of year»! In this list — your idea, start, and great help in work! Its your and my victory, Dirk, congratulation and thanks for all! Huller 21:20, 25 декабря 2011 (UTC)[ответить]
Hey Hullernuc, this is great! This list was hard work, but this proof me that this list was a good idea. I hope in the future we can make more such projects together in 2012. ;) Best Regards ChNPP 13:37, 26 декабря 2011 (UTC)[ответить]


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